Thank you Nina for your thoughts here and the work you do every day to on behalf of combatting disinformation. As I read your comments I thought about all the folks who are being officially threatened or already fired from their jobs if they expressed opinions that were critical of Kirk or his policies. Everything that is happening in our country is heartbreaking, infuriating and frightening but can’t give way. Again, thank you for your voice.
Verbal abuse is considered just as damaging as physical abuse, and in interpersonal relationships could be bad enough to be legally recognized as domestic abuse or workplace abuse.
But in the political world, it is protected even if it is considered hate speech, as it is labeled as political speech. I know there is a pretty good reason for this, after all, I don't want someone telling me that I can't call 47 a fascist, horrible excuse for a human being. But clearly, these days the line is crossed constantly, and Charlie Kirk was a top offender, going after just about every marginalized group in the U.S. with racist and misogynistic insults and lies. Not only against groups of people, but against individuals.
His despicable behavior was rewarded with adoring fans who shared his hatred, and lots and lots of money. His version of ‘debate’ would never pass muster in a high school debate class. And he ‘debated’ 18-22 year olds, which is like bringing in 2nd graders to debate 7th grade kids. Why didn't he debate professors, or assistant professors, or even just an older grad student with knowledge about a specific topic. That's pretty telling on it's own.
Here is a link to a Reddit thread about this. It's very informative.
I just started this reply to offer my support and assurance that so many of us completely agree and support you. Anyone who shrugs off the kind of verbal abuse he heaped on you and others is misinformed at best about the toll that causes. Sorry for the ramble.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about and experience with Charlie Kirk. With all of the talk of his "martyrdom", it's imperative that you - and others he tyrannized - speak your truth to counter the gaslighting. I, too, ". . . hope Kirk’s many targets remind Ezra Klein, Gavin Newsom, and the men in coffee shops and bars writing a revisionist history of Charlie Kirk that words, especially words like Kirk’s, are not value neutral."
I also hope that your sentiment about stopping the dehumanizing, demonizing rhetoric and, instead, disengage, call it out, and excise it from our discourse, isn't just a pipedream.
This is rich coming from a shill for the globalists that was perfectly happy with the right being labeled as literal Nazis, and with conflating hurty words with literal violence. This was evidently designed to lead eventually to this kind of violence.
Ironically, it was the brazen propaganda from the left that drove so many people away from the Democrats. But seemingly not content with that, the tone deaf reaction to Kirk's assassination will probably ensure that the Democrats won't see power for another generation at least.
It isn't lost on the average person that when the left feel aggrieved, there are riots in the streets and wall to wall coverage of their "mostly peaceful protests" which anyone can see are anything but, and to really rub it in, their new martyr is usually far from being a good person. Yet in the case of Kirk, it's almost universal demonisation of who he was and what he stood for, despite probably being much more like that average person, and instead of violence it is candle lit vigils, and to really rub it in, they tried to paint their first patsy as someone from the right for a week straight, when he evidently wasn't.
The average person doesn't want to be associated with whatever you lot are pushing any more, no matter how noble you make it sound.
Basically, you've lost, and it's sad that you don't even realise it...
It was three and a half years ago. Get better information or at least better insults.
Also, cool attempt to harass me into not using my constitutionally protected right to speech. It hasn’t worked yet, and it won’t in the future so I suggest you find a more fulfilling hobby.
Well said. Thank you for writing this.
Yes,I’m with you on this,
Thank you Nina for your thoughts here and the work you do every day to on behalf of combatting disinformation. As I read your comments I thought about all the folks who are being officially threatened or already fired from their jobs if they expressed opinions that were critical of Kirk or his policies. Everything that is happening in our country is heartbreaking, infuriating and frightening but can’t give way. Again, thank you for your voice.
Verbal abuse is considered just as damaging as physical abuse, and in interpersonal relationships could be bad enough to be legally recognized as domestic abuse or workplace abuse.
But in the political world, it is protected even if it is considered hate speech, as it is labeled as political speech. I know there is a pretty good reason for this, after all, I don't want someone telling me that I can't call 47 a fascist, horrible excuse for a human being. But clearly, these days the line is crossed constantly, and Charlie Kirk was a top offender, going after just about every marginalized group in the U.S. with racist and misogynistic insults and lies. Not only against groups of people, but against individuals.
His despicable behavior was rewarded with adoring fans who shared his hatred, and lots and lots of money. His version of ‘debate’ would never pass muster in a high school debate class. And he ‘debated’ 18-22 year olds, which is like bringing in 2nd graders to debate 7th grade kids. Why didn't he debate professors, or assistant professors, or even just an older grad student with knowledge about a specific topic. That's pretty telling on it's own.
Here is a link to a Reddit thread about this. It's very informative.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow/s/hhmBbzJons
I just started this reply to offer my support and assurance that so many of us completely agree and support you. Anyone who shrugs off the kind of verbal abuse he heaped on you and others is misinformed at best about the toll that causes. Sorry for the ramble.
Solidarity.
These times are challenging. Everyone is trying so hard to say what they believe.
Thank you Nina for sharing your story. 🙏🏽😌
Thank you for sharing your personal connection-- I didn't know that.
https://open.substack.com/pub/sanityparty/p/what-i-feel-about-the-charlie-kirk
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about and experience with Charlie Kirk. With all of the talk of his "martyrdom", it's imperative that you - and others he tyrannized - speak your truth to counter the gaslighting. I, too, ". . . hope Kirk’s many targets remind Ezra Klein, Gavin Newsom, and the men in coffee shops and bars writing a revisionist history of Charlie Kirk that words, especially words like Kirk’s, are not value neutral."
I also hope that your sentiment about stopping the dehumanizing, demonizing rhetoric and, instead, disengage, call it out, and excise it from our discourse, isn't just a pipedream.
absolutely! so sorry to hear what you are going through and have been subjected to. very best wishes!
You are wonderful.
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This is rich coming from a shill for the globalists that was perfectly happy with the right being labeled as literal Nazis, and with conflating hurty words with literal violence. This was evidently designed to lead eventually to this kind of violence.
Ironically, it was the brazen propaganda from the left that drove so many people away from the Democrats. But seemingly not content with that, the tone deaf reaction to Kirk's assassination will probably ensure that the Democrats won't see power for another generation at least.
It isn't lost on the average person that when the left feel aggrieved, there are riots in the streets and wall to wall coverage of their "mostly peaceful protests" which anyone can see are anything but, and to really rub it in, their new martyr is usually far from being a good person. Yet in the case of Kirk, it's almost universal demonisation of who he was and what he stood for, despite probably being much more like that average person, and instead of violence it is candle lit vigils, and to really rub it in, they tried to paint their first patsy as someone from the right for a week straight, when he evidently wasn't.
The average person doesn't want to be associated with whatever you lot are pushing any more, no matter how noble you make it sound.
Basically, you've lost, and it's sad that you don't even realise it...
It was three and a half years ago. Get better information or at least better insults.
Also, cool attempt to harass me into not using my constitutionally protected right to speech. It hasn’t worked yet, and it won’t in the future so I suggest you find a more fulfilling hobby.